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Morning Tailgate: All About QBs

Posted by Taylor Price on July 17, 2013 – 9:38 AM

There’s a clear theme in today’s Morning Tailgate. Several articles about the quarterbacks on the San Francisco 49ers have been published in the last 24 hours and it’s our job to share those writeups

First, Bill Barnwell of Grantland.com examined Colin Kaepernick’s standing as one of the elite young quarterbacks in the National Football League and how the 49ers starting signal-caller’s prospects compare to some of the best young passers in the game today.

Kaepernick’s breakout season in 2012 is also up for a prestigious award. In fact, there’s only a few hours left to vote for Kaepernick to win a 2013 ESPY award.

Kaepernick enters training camp as the unquestioned starter, but the coveted backup quarterback roles have not been determined just yet.

More on the upcoming quarterback battles can be found in today’s Morning Tailgate.

Matt Barrows of the Sacramento Bee previewed the camp battle set to take place between Colt McCoy, Scott Tolzien and B.J. Daniels for reserve roles.

Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com previewed the 49ers quarterback group and forecasts the camp competition among the group.

NFL.com has the 49ers in the fourth round of the “Greatest Uniform” tournament.

Anquan Boldin will again meet with congress on behalf of Oxfam America.

NFL.com caught up with celebrity 49ers fan, Marissa Miller.

Donte Whitner shared his outlook on the 49ers upcoming road game in London.

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104 Responses to “Morning Tailgate: All About QBs”

  1. By Ramona Sanchez on Jul 17, 2013 | Reply

    Kapp is the bomb he deserves it GO KAPP !!! Your the man . Vote for Kapp

  2. By Michael Popa sr on Jul 17, 2013 | Reply

    Colin, first I was totally shocked the beginning of last season they picked u over Alex when yr b/4 Alex was hell
    WELL IM A DIE HARDER 49er fan fm Montana days& more
    You really opened up my eyes you showed me what f/b’s all about
    You hv my vote you deserve it
    X- JACOB McCANDLES popa

  3. By 9er on Jul 17, 2013 | Reply

    One out of a Million…..They don’t come like Collin everyday that’s for sure. I Thank the Lord for putting him on our team.You have my Vote Kapp!!….{ Go 9ers Go }

  4. By 11yearswithalex on Jul 17, 2013 | Reply

    I will start with yes this team is diff than the one alex had …BUT….the skill set and overall drive to achieve his goal that the kaeper has…… is what the niners are about ..even steve young had to wait but also had skills of his own and honed them to win a superbowl ….I see colin achieving that goal as well as others as in records …..his style is of course for a younger QB but he has the accuracy and arm strength as well …the niners will run a standard offense and throw in a few pistols here and there when they like …..the niners will have so many options teams will be focused all over the place …..which will lead to the niners taking the league by storm

  5. By 49er-n-memphis on Jul 17, 2013 | Reply

    Good stuff 11years! Now just change your name to futurewithCK7!!!! We’ll get to hit him in the preseason!

  6. By bow53 on Jul 17, 2013 | Reply

    nicely said 11yrs., at least your staying the course….CK7 is our young top gun now…..

  7. By Moose_USMC on Jul 17, 2013 | Reply

    At least we have a QB that can throw for more than 3 Touchdowns in a game.

  8. By Moose_USMC on Jul 17, 2013 | Reply

    Its going to be awsome watching our team roll over the competition this year. I love our running game, but I think we’ve all missed watching a 49ers QB dominate in a game. I also feel good for the kids watching. Remember watching Montana and Young growing up. Now they get to thoughs experiences too.

  9. By ace on Jul 17, 2013 | Reply

    and to think we werent sure if kaep would win the # 2 qb spot in preseason last year hahahahaha good thing coach did

  10. By ace on Jul 17, 2013 | Reply

  11. By ace on Jul 17, 2013 | Reply

  12. By mfkram64 on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    blahblahblah is still blaming everyone but alex smith for losses…R U KIDDING ME!!!!! alex smith won how many super bowls? eli won 2 and big ben won 2 u show how clueless u r when it comes to rating players….alex smith is bottom 15 qb PERIOD!!!

  13. By mfkram64 on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    i don’t like eli or ben but to say that alex smith s beetter than them proves u r a lost soul!!!! eli got free and hit tyree alex would have got sacked…and second super bowl he hit manningham with a beauty…alex would have threw it out of bounds…..u r a fool blahblahblah

  14. By mfkram64 on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    one last thing why in the world r we STILL talking about alex smith? if u r an elite or a good qb like u say alex is than he should make the players around him better PERIOD!!!! not “o alex didn’t have the talent wr’s or the o-line” bullshi$!!!!! alex smith is your avg joe qb good luck chiefs u will need it…and by the way alex is one hit to being done…..

  15. By bow53 on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    @mfkram, u hit it between the eye, “lost soul” is exactly to describe this arrogant a-hole…..i’m convince mr. novelist is not a fan.i check the last MT,the did’nt read it i just stared at it, looks like he was writng a book, i hope he stays in there , in the last MT, his good at that living in the past anyway, but i believe cuz” of topic ( kaep) he can’t stand still,he got to write a novel again in this MT….well, camp is just around the corner, before u know it football is upon us…”NINERS BABY!!!!!!!

  16. By Moose_USMC on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    Aww come on guys She’s just crushin on Alex and is a bit heart broken at the moment. Love blinds us all….. lol.

  17. By Moose_USMC on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    When she.. or he (i’m not judging)gets over the break up, they will see that it was for the best. Just anouther step in lifes jurney. -Error- will be stronger because of it.

  18. By bow53 on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    to bad alex is married, cuz’some state accept same sx marriage now…he can’t propose i guess????..lol….

  19. By Moose_USMC on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    I think errors a girl. . we may never know!? Not liking how Alex got transitioned to back up, not being right. As a guy i’m like survival of the fittest, didnt bother me. But my wife said it wasn’t nice. Error complaned about it… like a girl..lol

  20. By Moose_USMC on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    I apologize for the above coment. As it is not right of me to put the label of male or female on any human being. We have the right to chose what we are considered and I most likley oversteped and offended.

  21. By Moose_USMC on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    Danget, I also apologize to anyone who took offence to the term Human Being. It was not my intention to place anyone, unfairly ito that group either.

  22. By phatalerror on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    “At least we have a QB that can throw for more than 3 Touchdowns in a game.”

    …against one team that turned the ball over four times in their own territory. I suppose that is impressive to you.

    Frank Gore ran for more than 100 yards in three games last year, and they were all games Alex Smith started. Frank Gore hasn’t had a regular season game where he ran 100 yards, and although he averaged more than 100 yards per game during the playoffs, he also averaged over 20 carries in each of those games; he averaged less than 15 a game when Smith started, and didn’t top sixteen carries in any of his 100 yard games. Alex Smith made Frank Gore more effective with fewer carries.

    Excellent players don’t just put up fantasy football stat lines; they make their whole team better. Frank Gore is not as good with Kaepernick quarterbacking.

  23. By ace on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    thats silly frank gore is frank gore its more about how they use him i think ?

  24. By Moose_USMC on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    Wow Phatalerror, thank you for that tid-bit of knowledge. MMMMmmm let me chew on that and savor it for a bit…. Alex did a realy good job at being safe and doing what he was coached to do..and that was not F-up and lose the game for us till we got a better QB.

  25. By Moose_USMC on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    And 4 turnovers in Kaeps favor(dam that kids lucky day… just sooo much luck!), is your excuse for Alex’s lack of tuchdowns. Realy? This is Alex’s 9th season, maybe luck will finaly find him this year and he’ll get over the 3 TD hump.

  26. By Moose_USMC on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    Also easier to get Frank when you have 1 or 2 guys on D waiting for Kaep to run.

  27. By phatalerror on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    “This is Alex’s 9th season, maybe luck will finaly find him this year and he’ll get over the 3 TD hump.”

    He got 4 TD’s in the Saints Divisional Playoff game in 2011, but some people don’t like to count that because only three of them came through the air. That’s a rather arbitrary line to draw, but to each his own.

    It’s clear that you have your own bias, and rather than provide information substantiating your bias, you prefer to sit in your own dark corner and yell, ‘Biased.’ This is not a sign of your having a fundamentally strong position to argue from.

  28. By phatalerror on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    “Also easier to get Frank when you have 1 or 2 guys on D waiting for Kaep to run.”

    I suppose you then must concede that Kaepernick should be throwing into those defenses more often, and yet his aerial statistics weren’t significantly better than Smith’s given the undermanned nature of those secondaries.

    In one line, you basically just told everyone here, “I know nothing about how the Read Option offense is run and why it succeeds when it does.” Here’s some advice: Come back when you know more about the offenses the 49ers have actually been running. Until then, you’re spouting off comparatives without context, and therefore your conclusions are utterly flawed.

  29. By phatalerror on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    “thats silly frank gore is frank gore its more about how they use him i think ?”

    So they decided they wanted to use Gore as a 5 yards per carry back instead of a 6 yards per carry back? No. Gore’s utility didn’t change, although it is a fact that the Kaepernick offense employed a greater number of misdirection runs. It is because of that that Gore began a greater number of “big runs”. That however came at an expense: Sometimes the defense threw ‘rock’ instead of ‘paper’, and at a much greater rate than under the Smith offense, Gore got shut down on carries, often limited to just two yards or less. This is why despite more “big runs”, his yards per carry dropped significantly.

  30. By ace on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    kaep’s yards per att and per completion were higher …so there, higher infact then most qbs in the league i think

  31. By ace on Jul 18, 2013 | Reply

    so im supposed to believe that frank gore is less dangerous with kaep handing him the ball ? no thats silly its still how you use the tank….gore is a beast…till gore says otherwise

  32. By ace on Jul 19, 2013 | Reply

    watch this year when teams load up to stop frank, kaep’s gonna light them up, mark these words

  33. By mfkram64 on Jul 19, 2013 | Reply

    as usual blahblahblah hangs his hat on the saints div. game…..the only game he keeps bring up…and we all know the 9ers should have blown the saints out….6 to’s by the saints the ball set up for alex and still they have to go to the end of game to win when in fact it should have never got to that……he stalled the offense and they kicked fg’s as usual….if kaepernick had the ball were alex got it they would have scored 50+ pts that’s the differance WAKE THE FU#$ UP!

  34. By phatalerror on Jul 19, 2013 | Reply

    “….if kaepernick had the ball were alex got it they would have scored 50+ pts”

    Who is hanging their hat on hypotheticals now?

    The 49ers won the game against the Saints because Smith played well in the clutch, which is supposedly so important, and yet…

    The 49ers lost the game against the Ravens because Kaepernick didn’t play well in the clutch.

    When the 49ers needed a score from 5 yards out, they got it from Smith’s team. When the 49ers needed a score from 5 yards out, they didn’t get it from Kaepernick’s team.

    Facts, not hypotheticals.

    Thank you for playing. Now go home.

  35. By mfkram64 on Jul 19, 2013 | Reply

    fact kap has 2 playoff wins alex 1 FACT!!!

  36. By phatalerror on Jul 19, 2013 | Reply

    “fact kap has 2 playoff wins alex 1 FACT!!!”

    Fact is, Smith had to win 7 games for every playoff game he started, while Kaepernick didn’t even have to win 2. You tell me which player earned his starts.

    Kaepernick hasn’t helped a team through an entire regular season yet. This year, it rests on his shoulders. Let’s see if Kaepernick even gets to start a playoff game in 2013, much less win one.

  37. By ace on Jul 19, 2013 | Reply

    wait you just compared a divisional playoff game to the superbowl
    both qbs had their ups and downs in those games
    as much as i love what alex pulled off at the end of that game vs saints, you gotta admit when the saints retook the lead with so little time left on the clock noone in their right mind believed that alex was gonna pull that off so quickly simply cuz he really never had before in 8 yrs
    and then there was KAEP

  38. By phatalerror on Jul 19, 2013 | Reply

    “wait you just compared a divisional playoff game to the superbowl”

    Yes, I did. I’m not sure what is wrong with that.

    “as much as i love what alex pulled off at the end of that game vs saints, you gotta admit when the saints retook the lead with so little time left on the clock noone in their right mind believed that alex was gonna pull that off so quickly simply cuz he really never had before in 8 yrs”

    No one knew how Smith would perform in the playoffs because it was his first career playoff game after his first year with a head coach that wasn’t a horrible play-caller. However, Smith had already led several fourth quarter comebacks throughout the year. The only fans that didn’t believe Smith could do it were the same ones that dogged Smith all along when they should have been blaming Nolan and Singletary. Said fans are the same ones that have since turned their backs on one of the few quarterbacks to generate two fourth quarter comebacks in the last five minutes of the same playoff game. So the self-proclaimed “loyal” 49ers are a bunch of unprincipled flip-floppers that were wrong about Smith not being able to win in the clutch, and not right about Kaepernick being able to win in the clutch.

    I was yelling at the 49ers’ defense like everyone else when the 49ers’ defense allowed the two late scores in the Saints game, but I was only concerned about him being able to lead a comeback in the second instance, not in the first. Smith showed that he had more clutch in the playoffs than Peyton Manning by that final touchdown completion to Davis.

    It was that player that fans turned their backs on in week 11 last year. For what? For a player that wins against badly coordinated defenses and wins against high octane offenses that spontaneously combust. I will shamelessly stand to the side on that decision.

  39. By rjdniner on Jul 20, 2013 | Reply

    Phata error .why is it you AWAYS bring up the past, and fact is Manning has the ring and your style of post is getting to be real boring in the last weeks leading up to the start of training camp. If you would rather not be on board with the rest of the loyal 49er fans please leave , even 11yrs is not harping about the past and I will give him credit for that …..11yrs read that post about the Kap NICE ……

  40. By Mike on Jul 20, 2013 | Reply

    Colin has proven that he is a good quarterback, however, I think that he is becoming too arrogant, kaepernicking is stupid, his tattoes, hair, and the way he dresses is also stupid. I hope that he performs better than his non humble demeanor, because if not, he’s going to look even more stupid.

  41. By phatalerror on Jul 20, 2013 | Reply

    “Phata error .why is it you AWAYS bring up the past”

    Because until week one, all we have is the past, and everyone, whether favoring Kaepernick or not, is projecting from there.

    In general, I have come into the discussion on most of these threads because someone said something disrespectful toward former 49er Alex Smith, which I should think you would find fault with seeing as you’re so concerned about “loyal 49er fans”. Kaepernick hasn’t put up with a tenth of the trash Smith had to during a mostly wasted eight years in San Francisco, and unlike Smith upon his NFL arrival, he inherits a complete team with solid technical coaching.

    So I really don’t appreciate being compared with the ever-faultfinding “[Pick a number]yearswithalex”, nor do I think I ought to agree with the Kaepernick promotion in order to be considered “loyal”. My reward for considering the viewpoints of Barrows, Maiocco, Kawakami, et al, but not letting them do my thinking for me, has been for me to be called (among other absolutely disrespectful things) “disloyal”, which is about as far as you can get from characterizing me. My feelings about Smith’s demotion were always about what was best for the 49ers. It just so happens that my feelings were different from those of the typical fan molded by ESPN to believe that only quarterbacks that throw the ball for 5,000 yards a year or get multiple highlight scrambles every game are “elite”.

    Maybe “[Pick a number]yearswithalex” should change his name to ‘Tenplayerswithoutalex’. It’s quite appropriate, and would serve as a reminder of the team nature of Football.

  42. By phatalerror on Jul 20, 2013 | Reply

    “11yrs read that post about the Kap NICE ……”

    …and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him credit Kaepernick or shield Kaepernick from blame regardless of any continued shortcoming by Kaepernick, because doing otherwise would force him to swallow his pride about Alex Smith. I don’t believe he is capable of that.

  43. By dave g. on Jul 20, 2013 | Reply

    Why are people still whining about Alex with looooooooooooooong boring whining essays? Does it not register that he is gone? It is in the “who gives a F category?!”. I wish Alex the best of luck because he is a nice guy and I want to see him do well. But as a 49er fan the only QB I am concerned with is Kap. FATAL ERROR must have an exciting and captivating life to whine and whine and whine like a little girl who lost her Barbie! There are other things happening, the past is the past. We just traded for Eric Wright which is a low risk, high reward for a position of need. Our secondary was breaking down at the end of the year and it makes sense to increase competition in that area with starter like skills as long as he stays out of trouble.

  44. By rjdniner on Jul 20, 2013 | Reply

    So I touched another nerve phata is that it and your response is really something to really laugh about and remember this it’s been you and you alone that has talk in length about Alex ,as far as the past goes I don’t live there anymore . ……….

  45. By JParker on Jul 20, 2013 | Reply

    Our quarterback situation is fantastic. I don’t think there is another team in the NFL with a trio of quarterbacks (Kap, Colt, Scott) as talented as ours.

  46. By dave g. on Jul 20, 2013 | Reply

    “If you continually carry strong feelings about something that happened in the past, it will hinder your ability to appreciate the present and look forward to the future. It is irrelevant what we cannot control and is behind us regardless of what happened or (hypothetically) could have happened.”

    ~ Someone Wise & Logical

  47. By phatalerror on Jul 20, 2013 | Reply

    “So I touched another nerve phata is that it and your response is really something to really laugh about and remember this it’s been you and you alone that has talk in length about Alex ,as far as the past goes I don’t live there anymore . ……….”

    This has been a word from your 49ers Unfaithful. And now back to our usual off-season routine of hypothesis and speculation and unfounded optimism.

  48. By phatalerror on Jul 20, 2013 | Reply

    “Our quarterback situation is fantastic. I don’t think there is another team in the NFL with a trio of quarterbacks (Kap, Colt, Scott) as talented as ours.”

    The 49ers definitely have one of the better QB2′s.

  49. By dave g. on Jul 20, 2013 | Reply

    FATAL ERROR definitely is the biggest #2 on these blogs :)

  50. By dave g. on Jul 20, 2013 | Reply

    FATAL ERROR says, “because doing otherwise would force him to swallow his pride about Alex Smith. I don’t believe he is capable of that.”

    We are talking about Alex Smith, not Joe Montana or Tom Brady but Alex Smith. Lets really put things in perspective here!

  51. By dave g. on Jul 20, 2013 | Reply

    This guys obsessiveness with Alex has gone waaaay beyond control that logic is completely voided. He is not even a 49er!

  52. By dave g. on Jul 20, 2013 | Reply

    He also says, “It just so happens that my feelings were different from those of the typical fan molded by ESPN to believe that only quarterbacks that throw the ball for 5,000 yards a year or get multiple highlight scrambles every game are “elite”.”

    This is coming from a guy who put Matthew Stafford (4,967 yards, 20 TD, 17 int, 6 fumbles last year) and 0-1 in the playoffs who has had Calvin Johnson AND Tony Romo (4,903 yards, 28 TDs, 19 int, 6 fumbles, choke artist when it counts the most) with weapons everywhere was 1-3 in playoffs AHEAD of Eli Manning & Ben R.

    Does he not see the constant contradictions and hypocrisy with everything he says? There is obviously as always only one agenda here: Its all about elevating Alex and knocking down Kap. What a hater and a loser. 20/0? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

  53. By phatalerror on Jul 21, 2013 | Reply

    Your responses show a pattern of inability to look at the big picture. You isolate stat lines and records, but you can’t say a blasted thing about offensive lines, lack of depth at the skill positions, defenses collapsing, etc.

    I guess you must think that the Giants actually played better in the 2011 NFC Conference Championship, and that the whole game didn’t actually come down to two special teams turnovers deep in their territory. After all, all you point to as far as that game goes is Smith’s stat line vs. Manning’s. Did you know that Smith’s offense in 14 drives scored more points per drive than Manning’s did in 17 drives that game? Sometimes the better team doesn’t win. Winning the turnover battle is winning the battle for opportunity.

    If you want to call Manning elite when he was less productive per drive than Smith that game (who in your eyes played downright awful that game), you really do ignore the big picture. Your incapability of seeing the big picture doesn’t justify your disrespect toward me.

  54. By dave g. on Jul 21, 2013 | Reply

    Your obsession with Smith continues. Learn to read. Your QB ranking highlights your lack of fully crediting QB’s fully for all they do to contribute to helping their teams win. For you to put Matthew Stafford and Tony Romo as better QBs than Ben & Eli through all their accomplishments and body of work completely contradicts what you accusing everyone else of with the 5,000 yards nonsense. And you can dance around that fact all you want but the bottom line is you don’t fully know QBs like you think you do which only enhances what we ALL already know and the reason why you contradict often is because you will go with what works for your argument at that moment. You full of monkey doodoo! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

  55. By dave g. on Jul 21, 2013 | Reply

    I never called Eli Manning elite (thanks again for twisting my words) nor do I find Alex Smith elite but for you to rank Matthew Stafford and Romo ahead of him and Ben highlights your ridiculousness.

    It must really s@ck for you to spend so much time writing novels after novels just to have me come by and just pop your balloon with a pin with just a few sentences. You like that nerd who that goes to a new school trying to make people think you cool but I know who you really are and I continue to expose you.

    YOU A JOKE FATAL-ERROR and we all know it! 20/0?

    HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

  56. By dave g. on Jul 21, 2013 | Reply

    And show me where I called Eli elite and compared him to Alex???

    This also highlights you reading and seeing what you want to see and not what reality is.

  57. By dave g. on Jul 21, 2013 | Reply

    My ability TO SEE the “big picture” is precisely what allows me to see how much you deserve to be verbally slapped down FATAL-ERROR.

  58. By ace on Jul 21, 2013 | Reply

    i love when people disagree but then say the same thing in different words, like that changes the truth

    “you gotta admit when the saints retook the lead with so little time left on the clock noone in their right mind believed that alex was gonna pull that off so quickly simply cuz he really never had before in 8 yrs”

    “but I was only concerned about him being able to lead a comeback in the second instance, not in the first. ”

    so you didnt have faith he was going to lead another td drive so quickly either ?
    we know because he never really had before
    was that the norm for alex……no sadly that was the pinnacle

  59. By ace on Jul 21, 2013 | Reply

    so after nine starts our young kaep has reached a higher pinacle, before even playing in the superbowl. yes kaeps play was superior to alex in his playoff games, and since smith didnt make the sb, well we cant really compare his sb apearence to kaeps maybe someday when he plays in one we can make that comparison, wait this is alex smith’s 9 year ? hmm that alone makes him pretty special, but his chances of playing in a superbowl vs kaeps chances of playing in another superbowl ? ill put my money on KAEP

  60. By phatalerror on Jul 22, 2013 | Reply

    “so you didnt have faith he was going to lead another td drive so quickly either ?
    we know because he never really had before
    was that the norm for alex……no sadly that was the pinnacle”

    You misunderstand my words. Smith had on numerous occasions led the 49ers on fourth quarter comebacks (which, like everything else, I always attribute to a team effort), both on many occasions earlier that year, and also during previous years (in fact, I have argued that during the Nolan and Singletary years, Smith was most successful as a quarterback during two-minute drives in comparison with other periods of play because the terrible coaches had to stay ‘sidelined’).

    Other writers have acknowledged this in the past, and particularly with regard to the 2011 season, but then most of them disrespectfully slipped in the very irrelevant detail that Smith relied on the team’s running game (as if the running game was a primary part of any two-minute drill).

    As for the second instance, I was concerned because those are historically improbable. To lead an offense down the field for the score only to watch your defense give up the lead almost immediately on blown coverage is deflating to a team. The fact that they actually pulled that off was a testament to Smith’s leadership and the confidence his teammates had in him.

    To represent such a historically rare achievement as a lone pinnacle amidst a plain of despair and failure grossly distorts the truth about Smith.

  61. By phatalerror on Jul 22, 2013 | Reply

    “For you to put Matthew Stafford and Tony Romo as better QBs than Ben & Eli through all their accomplishments and body of work completely contradicts what you accusing everyone else of with the 5,000 yards nonsense.”

    All of their accomplishments? What? Super Bowl rings? Was Tampa Bay’s Brad Johnson an accomplished quarterback with a great body of work? Give me a break. Roethlisberger and Manning have been in the league more than twice as long as Stafford and were drafted onto better teams. As for Romo, the dearth of talent resulting from poor general management by Jerry Jones is so well recorded. Your failure to acknowledge the disparity of talent between the 2000′s Steelers and Giants vs. the 2000′s Cowboys and the 2010′s Lions is just one more point of evidence that you cannot see the forest for the trees.

  62. By dave g. on Jul 22, 2013 | Reply

    You act like Romo (has had talent) and Stafford will win multiple Superbowls AND to put Brad Johnson in the same category as Eli and Big Ben is the biggest joke. Seriously? Think about what you saying here and have you really been watching Big Ben and Eli in big games? Have you been watching football? Brad Johnson? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

  63. By phatalerror on Jul 22, 2013 | Reply

    I didn’t put Brad Johnson in their category, nor did I say he was like them.

    He did however win a Super Bowl, which in itself is evidence that having a Super Bowl victory, and even a Super Bowl MVP (which almost by default goes to the winning team’s quarterback), is not by itself evidence of being a top quarterback.

    Name the last year that Romo had a balanced offense with a healthy and quality runningback and a healthy and quality receiver corps. Now do the same for Stafford.

    Please. You just haven’t done enough research to even be able to speak competently on the topic. All you do is parrot scouts. But should more have been expected of you, seeing as you’re not even that smart about the 49ers?

    20/0.

  64. By rjdniner on Jul 22, 2013 | Reply

    Now as far as someone being real smart about the 49er,s phata you need to take a back seat ….and get in that child,s buster seat ……

  65. By phatalerror on Jul 22, 2013 | Reply

    “Now as far as someone being real smart about the 49er,s phata you need to take a back seat ….and get in that child,s buster seat ……”

    Really? And I’m not smart about the 49ers because?:

    a) My thoughts aren’t dependent on the conclusions of football pundits?
    b) My thoughts are based on a combination of objective and subjective observations?
    c) My thoughts are different from yours?

    Give me a break. Other people simply repeat what everyone else says. You’re criticizing me without any basis to do so except that my conclusions are different from yours. If you had a 100% track record of being right, I would yield to your manifest wisdom. However, you followed all of the other lemmings that said Kaepernick gave the 49ers the best chance to win the Super Bowl. Now that “best chance” ended up being 0%, you would criticize me for lacking insight about the 49ers when I didn’t follow the crowd in the first place? There’s no coherent logic to your thought process here.

    You’re demeaning, and yet very bad at it.

  66. By mfkram64 on Jul 23, 2013 | Reply

    give me a break…romo has had good rec’s and a good t/e as far as running backs they had guys every team goes thru injuries….to say romo hasn’t had guys around him is BS…does rogers have a running game? brady? as far as stafford same thing he has all world johnson….he has to make the other guys better….stafford is just like romo…makes to many stupid throws to many bone head mistakes…..so give me a break with having a healthy this and that…as far as big ben and eli being on better teams do u think maybe it’s cuz of them they r good? eli and big ben have won year in and year out…on top of winning super bowls….steelers of all teams have gone thru rb’s every year….but big ben has them always there same with eli…..they make the other guys better…..that’s what kaepernick will do this year watch and learn blahblahblah watch and learn!!!!!.

  67. By dave g. on Jul 23, 2013 | Reply

    Nice mfkram64! You nailed it. FATAL ERROR says things that apply when it is convenient for him. Alex had a more opportunistic defense and reliable kicking game in 2011 and playoffs then Kap had in 2012 and playoffs but acts like that did not happen!

    Anyone who will say that Romo & Stafford is better than Eli and Big Ben is on crack! Seriously?

    Hey says:

    a) My thoughts aren’t dependent on the conclusions of football pundits?
    b) My thoughts are based on a combination of objective and subjective observations?
    c) My thoughts are different from yours?

    Yeah…thats the reason! You so perceptive! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

    20/0? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

  68. By dave g. on Jul 23, 2013 | Reply

    I fully know and said any QB can win a SB but to do it multiple times and to have big plays in SB’s when it really mattered vs. “Mr. Choke” and “Mr. Megatron dependent throw 50 times a game”. Seriously?

    Yeah…we listening to the football pundits! HAAAAAA!

    It’s called “common sense” subtracted by taking out the biased emotions of loving Mr. Alex Smith!!!!!!

  69. By phatalerror on Jul 23, 2013 | Reply

    I’m sorry, but in which years did the Steelers and the Giants have sieves on defense and win the Super Bowl anyway?

    Your “common sense” ignored the fundamental point of evidence of my argument. You commend your own thinking far more than deserved.

  70. By ace on Jul 23, 2013 | Reply

    to say that kaep stares at wr’s is to say kaep isnt deceptive, thats really not acounting for the “bigger picture” with kaep, where he looks when throwing beyond the defenders is irrelevant his arm str and accuarcy,… how many qbs played where is the ball ? better than kaep ? last year ? teams cant defend a ball when they dont know where it is lol… kaep is very deceptive , and with more exp under his belt, he’s still getting better thats the “CRAZY” part

  71. By ace on Jul 23, 2013 | Reply

    i see bombs in the near future…… . kaep throwing them deeeeeeep

  72. By dave g. on Jul 23, 2013 | Reply

    You are sorry, so in which years did Alex have sieves on defense and NOT win the Super Bowl anyway?

    Your “common sense” ignored the fundamental point of evidence of my argument. You commend your own thinking far more than deserved.

  73. By dave g. on Jul 23, 2013 | Reply

    So Alex having a great defense to carry him and not winning we have excuses BUT when Eli and Ben come through multiple times with less running game and actually make their WRs better uhhhm IT WAS ALL EVERYONE ELSE?

    Wow, Alex is excused for everything. And where was Crabtree until Kap showed up? And who was Freddie Soloman and 11th round slow WR Dwight Clark?

  74. By dave g. on Jul 23, 2013 | Reply

    What WR’s did Tom Brady have when he won SB’s? Oh and I suppose any QB who had a good defense and won the SB is not a top QB. We gonna hold that against them.

    Yes I know, Brad Johnson won a SB 48-21 because Rich Gannon threw 5 picks and we gonna put him in the same category as: ELI MANNING?

    He has been one of the most clutch quarterbacks of his generation.

    Manning won the MVP award in both of the New York Giants’ Super Bowl victories, a feat only five players in NFL history have accomplished. To go along with this, Manning has led the Giants on five game-winning drives in postseason play and another 23 game-winning drives during the regular season. Manning has also been a symbol of reliability for the Giants, as he started 144 consecutive games, including the playoffs.

    And what is Romos record during this time? Lets look shall we aside from the big choke games? They in same division-Giants SB Champs 2007 Season.Cowboys 13-3 allowed only 325 points to Giants 10-6 and allowed 351 points? In 2011 SB year for Giants they were 9-7 and allowed 400 points, Cowboys 8-8 and allowed 347.

    WHO THE F@CK HAD THE BETTER DEFENSE? I thought so? 20/0?

    HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

  75. By dave g. on Jul 23, 2013 | Reply

    oh yeah its ESPN pundits thinking for me! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

    20/0? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

  76. By dave g. on Jul 23, 2013 | Reply

    Yeah FATAL ERROR you know a good QB as much as Justin Beiber knows how to show people respect. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

  77. By dave g. on Jul 23, 2013 | Reply

    SO in which Giants Eli Mannings SB years did the Giants Defensive “sieves” (LOL) allow less points than the Cowboys???

    Another b!tch slapped again! Amateur ;)

    HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

  78. By phatalerror on Jul 23, 2013 | Reply

    “to say that kaep stares at wr’s is to say kaep isnt deceptive, thats really not acounting for the “bigger picture” with kaep, where he looks when throwing beyond the defenders is irrelevant his arm str and accuarcy,… how many qbs played where is the ball ? better than kaep ? last year ? teams cant defend a ball when they dont know where it is lol… kaep is very deceptive , and with more exp under his belt, he’s still getting better thats the “CRAZY” part”

    You’re talking about completely different skills. Play action sleight-of-hand is not the same as reading progressions, and reducing the skill of reading progressions to ‘looking off safeties’ is to grossly demean the most fundamental quarterback skill of all. If you stare down primary receivers and do not read progressions, you are missing as many as four other receivers who may very well be better targets than the primary will be.

    Watch the Sam Shields pick-six in the Divisional Playoff, and what do you see: Out of the play action, Kaepernick, with seven blockers protecting him against a four man rush, looks right to his primary, staring at him for approximately two-and-a-half seconds, until pressure forces him out of the pocket to the other side of the field, where he now begins to stare down Crabtree for the next three seconds. The secondary sees that they are tracking only three receivers, and they’re already moving in to bracket Crabtree. From snap to pick, the play goes seven seconds, and during that time, Kaepernick reads two receivers during the course of five seconds, first one, then the other (he doesn’t even switch from one to the other and back to the first).

    The play was over at five seconds: Three receivers are completely bracketed, protection has been penetrated, and blockers are even standing idle with nowhere to go and no one to block. The correct decision at five seconds is for Kaepernick, having escaped the pocket, to throw the ball out of bounds. Instead, Kaepernick’s rocket arm gave Sam Shields a touchdown reception.

    Quarterbacks must be able to make reads. Kaepernick’s demonstrated inefficiency at the skill is a tremendous liability.

  79. By dave g. on Jul 24, 2013 | Reply

    I knew he would type a long winded BS answer and avoid the obvious bullsh!t exposed by him (as usual).

    HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Go follow your boy in KC. They can’t be any worse than last year so he can only look good.

  80. By phatalerror on Jul 24, 2013 | Reply

    From first full year as starter onward:

    Tony Romo 2007-2012 (no adjustment made for year Romo was injured): PF 2317 (386.17 points per season), PA 2123 (353.83 points per season)
    Eli Manning 2005-2012: PF 3196 (399.5 points per season), PA 2839 (354.88 points per season)

    Year Team Net Pts PF PA
    2008* NYG 133 427 294
    2008P NYG -12 11 23
    2007* DAL 130 455 325
    2007P DAL -4 17 21
    2009* DAL 111 361 250
    2009P DAL -11 37 48
    2005* NYG 108 422 314
    2005P NYG -23 0 23
    2012 NYG 85 429 344
    2010 NYG 47 394 347
    2011 DAL 22 369 347
    2007* NYG 22 373 351
    2007P NYG 20 85 65
    2008 DAL -3 362 365
    2011* NYG -6 394 400
    2011P NYG 46 102 56
    2006* NYG -7 355 362
    2006P NYG -3 20 23
    2012 DAL -24 376 400
    2009 NYG -25 402 427
    2010I DAL -42 394 436

    It’s funny when you look at the post-season games of both Eli Manning and Tony Romo, and you see that just like Romo, Manning has never won a game where his defense gave up more than 20 points. Never. If you were looking at regular season totals when you said, “SO in which Giants Eli Mannings SB years did the Giants Defensive “sieves” (LOL) allow less points than the Cowboys???”, it might have served you well to look at how the defense did in the post-season. So then, how is Manning any more clutch than Romo? Manning wins playoff games because his defense keeps him in the game. Romo’s defense never had that consistency in the playoffs. So then, what are your objections to Romo now?

  81. By Moose_USMC on Jul 24, 2013 | Reply

    Phatalexcuse, you still rambling on back here in this blog? My friend from Wichita says no one there is very impressed with getting Alex. You know why? Cause he sucks. He only won with the right coach and Kicker, and when the defence could keep the other team under 20 points.

  82. By Moose_USMC on Jul 24, 2013 | Reply

    Go cheerlead for Alex over at the Kansas sight. By the way Alex is already married. Wasn’t she an Oakland Chearleader…I ain’t sayin she’s a gold digger.

  83. By phatalerror on Jul 24, 2013 | Reply

    “My friend from Wichita says no one there is very impressed with getting Alex.”

    When did I ever comment on whether people get excited over Smith’s play? When he’s not making double 4th quarter comebacks with end runs (like Kaepernick does) and perfect throws to his receivers over the middle (like Kaepernick does), he’s never been particularly exciting to watch. It’s not the job of the quarterback to be ‘exciting’. His job is to run the offense, and make the team better by doing so.

    The average fan doesn’t understand the game to the degree of coordination necessary to know why Alex Smith was a better quarterback than Colin Kaepernick was in 2012. It’s not that they can’t understand, but they’re not willing to study the game to that extent. Your friend’s opinion has no relevance to the matter.

  84. By dave g. on Jul 24, 2013 | Reply

    As always he missed the point and threw out overload of data. Do you even watch games? The point is the defense is not the difference between those two QBs. The difference is the QBs! Alex had a better defense in 2011 than Kap had in 2012. Care to pull up the TO numbers that gave Alex the ball in the best spots more reliable kicking? Does the better defense not work in that scenario cuz we talking about Alex? Yeah it never does, does it?

  85. By dave g. on Jul 24, 2013 | Reply

    FATAL ERROR says, “The average fan doesn’t understand the game to the degree of coordination necessary to know why Alex Smith was a better quarterback than Colin Kaepernick was in 2012. It’s not that they can’t understand, but they’re not willing to study the game to that extent. Your friend’s opinion has no relevance to the matter.”

    Is Harbaugh & Baalke the average fan? Is Jowarski the average fan? Shall I go on? So you smarter than those average fan’s and “study the game to that extent” that those guys are not willing to on your Utube & you have played the position & actually was responsible for reviving Alex to respectability?

    Do you even hear yourself? Let us really think about what you saying? Harbaugh and Baalke are banking their careers and reputation on making a well informed choice. Your is on ego and pride and love for Mr. Alex Smith. Yeah, your opinion is incredibly relevant in this matter! HAAAAAAAAAAAA!

  86. By phatalerror on Jul 24, 2013 | Reply

    Was I talking about Harbaugh, Baalke, or Jaworski?

    No, I was talking about some guy’s friend who happened to live in the same state as the former 49ers quarterback.

    Did you finish your primary education?

  87. By phatalerror on Jul 24, 2013 | Reply

    “As always he missed the point and threw out overload of data. Do you even watch games? The point is the defense is not the difference between those two QBs. The difference is the QBs! Alex had a better defense in 2011 than Kap had in 2012.”

    I’ve never shied away from comparing their 2012 performances. Why are you bringing up 2011, when the 49ers’ defense performed better, but their offense lacked talent and depth in the wide receiver corps (as it had for almost a decade)? You want to make the argument that Smith didn’t actually earn his fourth quarter comebacks that year? Thirty-two teams in the NFL have a defense, and sometimes more of the team’s talent is distributed to the defensive side of the ball. I don’t recall quarterbacks being given a say as to whether the offense will be provided depth or talent.

    I’m tired of pulling up stats for you. I’ve pulled up dozens of stats that consistently show the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over:

    The team was better when Smith quarterbacked.
    The offense scored more points per game when Kaepernick quarterbacked.

    Though the two are not mutually exclusive, with Smith you got one, and with Kaepernick you got the other. And 2012 provides an excellent case study in that sometimes what you give up for the one isn’t worth what you gained.

    Since you will always fall back on the argument that Kaepernick did what he did in only his first ten starts, and that his potential needs to be considered, you need to accept and own the equally true statement: Kaepernick isn’t that quarterback yet.

    Wear it with pride.

  88. By dave g. on Jul 25, 2013 | Reply

    Yawn.

    Why are you obsessed with Alex? It’s creepy how much you love the guy. Are we all missing something?

    Harbaugh, Baalke, or Jaworski think Colin is better! Average Fan?

  89. By dave g. on Jul 25, 2013 | Reply

    Seems like the average fan know more than you!

  90. By Moose_USMC on Jul 25, 2013 | Reply

    Phatexcuse- I Never said you said, people get excited about Smiths play. Even defences dont get excited. Only our Kickers get excited. And of course you.

  91. By Moose_USMC on Jul 25, 2013 | Reply

    Andy Reid needs a good Coach like you Phatexcuse. maybe a QB coach to make excuses for Alexs soon to be shiety performance in KC. Not going to have a Super Bowl Team around him there to make him loook good.

  92. By phatalerror on Jul 25, 2013 | Reply

    “Not going to have a Super Bowl Team around him there to make him loook good.”

    …or more accurately, not going to have spoiled and ignorant fans to hold him to a higher standard than that which the elite quarterbacks are held to. Rahim Moore gets burned over the top by Joe Flacco leading to a playoff loss for the Broncos last year, and no one blames Peyton Manning. Kyle Williams does worse the year before, and everyone says Alex Smith didn’t do enough.

    Your statement above will look silly if the 49ers not only miss the Super Bowl this next year, but miss the playoffs entirely. And the latter is quite the possibility if Kaepernick isn’t actually better than Smith.

  93. By mfkram64 on Jul 25, 2013 | Reply

    as usual blahblahblah goes and bashes our team…”the latter is quite possible” pretaining to not making the playoffs…u r a waste of time…..what is your point? other than to bash OUR TEAM!!! i’m with dave g here if u r a guy it is way to wierd for me on how u love alex smith and if u r a girl i can except u lovin on alex but u need to let it go….if u r a true niiner fan u will route for your niners PERIOD!! this kid is the face of not only the niners but the youth in the nfl…..brady,rogers,brees and the mmannings r aging…kaepernick,rg3,luck and wilson r the future of the nfl….not alex smith or romo…..

  94. By Moose_USMC on Jul 25, 2013 | Reply

    Phatexcuse-

    Your statement above will look silly if the 49ers not only miss the Super Bowl this next year, but miss the playoffs entirely. And the latter is quite the possibility if Kaepernick isn’t actually better than Smith.

    WOW…….Realy… you think I’m crazy….Realy, i meen realy. Thats ALL your eggs in one basket. Guess if we make the playoff even… you lose!… oh this statment will not go away i promise. You are an Alex Smith fan first a team fan second.

  95. By Moose_USMC on Jul 25, 2013 | Reply

    Phatexcuse-

    I think you may fool some with your Grammer, but some of the drivel that spews out of your mouth brings you down to plane stupid. Your comparisons between Alex and basicly a rookie QB are hypocritical at best. Most times you compleetly leave out what some one says and hand pick just one thing they say to compare, or you compleetly misconstrue there point calling some morral victory or highground for yourself.

  96. By Moose_USMC on Jul 25, 2013 | Reply

    Phatexcuse-
    I know you may have abandonment issues and this hurt you to watch Smith get abandoned too. Please don’t take your problems out on us, seek help with a psychotherapist or through counceling. There are many great resorces for you to chose from in your area. Perhaps an Alex Smith Trauma Group. You can all sit around and throw numbers at each other and talk about the hurt you feel. But you must find a way to come to terms with what happened. It will make the pain easier, theres a whole world out there waiting for you.

  97. By dave g. on Jul 25, 2013 | Reply

    FATAL ERROR says, “…or more accurately, not going to have spoiled and ignorant fans to hold him to a higher standard than that which the elite quarterbacks are held to.”

    Your statement already looks stupid because those “ignorant fans” see exactly what the coaching staff see’s. The coaching staff knows what they had to do to help improve Alex’s play. HELLO! Its called logic and common sense. So in your world, it makes more sense for them to trade an “elite” QB for a worst QB??????? Think about whose statement is ignorant! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

  98. By phatalerror on Jul 25, 2013 | Reply

    “WOW…….Realy… you think I’m crazy….Realy, i meen realy. Thats ALL your eggs in one basket. Guess if we make the playoff even… you lose!… oh this statment will not go away i promise. You are an Alex Smith fan first a team fan second.”

    If I had to guess which of last year’s playoff teams are most likely to miss the playoffs this year, I start with the Ravens, and the 49ers are the number two. As the coach says, “If you’re not getting better, you’re getting worse.” Well, they traded away Alex Smith to establish Colin Kaepernick as the starter, and whether or not Harbaugh believes Kaepernick is better than Smith or not, the 49ers have made their move final.

    Please, by all means, keep that statement by me in mind. Let it roll around your brain between now and January. If I’m wrong, I’ll deserve everything coming to me. But if I’m not wrong, my words will fuel your anguish of watching the 49ers go from being a playoff team to being sidelined, and that will be well-deserved. You will also have the misery of an off-season full of questions like, “Did the 49ers make the right decision by getting rid of Smith as early in Kaepernick’s development as they did?”

    I’m a fan of teams that treat their players with honor, especially in the case where their players treated the team with honor. The team faltered back in 1993 by sending away Joe Montana in the manner they did, but then again, Joe had missed over a season due to injury, and Joe had won his titles. Hindsight suggests it was the wrong choice, but it was a matter of sending away an aging icon rather than a player who gave everything he had, and as his perseverance and suffering culminated toward a Super Bowl run, it was dishonorably stolen away from him and given to his teammate that had done little in comparison to earn it. It’s not my fault that the 49ers that existed in 2012 don’t exist anymore. It’s not my fault that the 49ers deflected away from principles I believe strongly in.

  99. By phatalerror on Jul 25, 2013 | Reply

    I discovered another comments filter:

    You cannot use a six-letter word that ends in “natch” and begins with the same first letter of a word that can be synonymous with the censored word, “Snare.”

  100. By dave g. on Jul 25, 2013 | Reply

    FATAL ERROR says, “and whether or not Harbaugh believes Kaepernick is better than Smith or not, the 49ers have made their move final.”

    So logic continues to escape this clown. So Harbaugh may not believe that Kaepernick is better? He made a move based on…? This guy cracks me up!

  101. By dave g. on Jul 25, 2013 | Reply

    I never seen a dude waste so much of his time writing so much of nothing saying the same repetitive nothing :)

  102. By dave g. on Jul 25, 2013 | Reply

    Moose nailed it and we ALL see it! Moose_USMC says of Fatal Error, “Most times you completely leave out what some one says and hand pick just one thing they say to compare, or you completely misconstrue their point calling some moral victory or highground for yourself.” Hellz yeah he does!

  103. By dave g. on Jul 25, 2013 | Reply

    “I discovered another comments filter”

    How proud the little man must be and feel of himself :)

  104. By mfkram64 on Jul 26, 2013 | Reply

    blahblahblah…u say u r a fan of teams who treat their players with honor….ya they mistreated poor alex with those big contracts…most teams would have cut him but the niners kept him for 8 years so F..U.. FOR SAYING THE NINERS DON’T TREAT THEIR PLAYERS WITH HONOR…it’s a business and they have to make tough choices somtimes…it’s life…alex is an avg. qb at best…he was babied under harbaugh…remember he had a concoussion and is one hit from being done…i’m so tired of u and your stuipid babble on alex smith….in your quote a fan of teams who treat their players with honor well that means to me u r a fan of no team…..PERIOD!!

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