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MT: Replacing Michael Crabtree

Posted by Taylor Price on May 24, 2013 – 10:45 AM

It won’t be a one man job.

To replace Michael Crabtree’s production on the San Francisco 49ers (85 catches, 1,105 receiving yards and nine touchdowns in 2012) it’s going to take a collective effort from the team, the team, the team.

Jim Harbaugh is eager to see which young wide receiver will emerge to fill Crabtree’s shoes as San Francisco’s starting wideout opposite of Anquan Boldin. So far, the young wideouts have been letting their work on the practice field make their case. Players like A.J. Jenkins and Ricardo Lockette are intriguing prospects to line up with Boldin. Mario Manningham and Kyle Williams are also close to returning from late-season injuries.

It should also be noted that the 49ers can still continue their power-running approach in 2013. They also have the unique running threat of Colin Kaepernick. In the backfield, Kendall Hunter is working his way back from a season-ending injury. Plus, Frank Gore is Frank Gore.

Receivers are key in any offense, but the 49ers have shown the ability to be creative in personnel groupings. Not to be forgotten, Vernon Davis, one of the game’s most dangerous tight ends, still figures to be heavily involved in the passing game.

More on the team’s options to fill in for Crabtree can be found in today’s Morning Tailgate.

Cam Inman of the San Jose Mercury News shared NaVorro Bowman’s views on the wide receiver subject.

Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com analyzed the team’s 90-man roster for possible Crabtree replacements.

Ray Ratto of CSNBayArea.com shared three options the 49ers have to fill Crabtree’s production, one of which is letting Colin Kaepernick run more often.

CSN Bay Area also spoke with former 49ers tight end and Bay Area Sports Hall of Fame inductee, Brent Jones, on the Crabtree topic.

Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News looked at the most productive wide receivers in the NFL and how their impact didn’t translate to postseason success.

Kevin Lynch of the San Francisco Chronicle spoke with Cal coach Sonny Dykes who came to 49ers OTAs to watch his former player, Quinton Patton.

49ers CEO Jed York joined the Rich Eisen podcast to discuss Super Bowl L.

49ers cornerback Tarell Brown recently visited NFL.com’s “Double Coverage” podcast.

49ers.com caught up with Eric Reid and Ray McDonald at the conclusion of week 1 of OTAs.

The 49ers signed two draft picks, Tank Carradine and Vance McDonald.

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90 Responses to “MT: Replacing Michael Crabtree”

  1. By grumpybob on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    Losing Crabs is a VERY unfortunate thing. The rest of the guys need to step up. I’m interested to see what Jenkins can do as well as Patton. If the baugh saw something in those two, there has to be a diamond somewhere in all that rough.

    Boldin’s good, but can he carry a team? What if he’s double covered? V Diddy is gonna have to step up this year.

  2. By phatalerror on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    “Boldin’s good, but can he carry a team? What if he’s double covered?”

    If the eye test didn’t answer that already, watch what happens to the Ravens this year with the loss of Boldin. The AFC North isn’t the powerhouse it was two years ago, and yet the Ravens don’t exactly have a strangehold on the division. 2013 Joe Flacco won’t look like he did in 2012. They got into the Super Bowl the same way the Giants did in 2011: A single player choked away the win.

    Boldin has been very good. He played a critical role on a championship-winning Cardinals team, he was clutch with the Ravens, and he will be Colin Kaepernick’s top target. He has been better than Crabtree all along. You don’t have to worry about a dropoff from Crabtree to Boldin, and the dropoff from Crabtree to Manningham or Williams is minimal. Crabtree’s got hands, but his route-running is only fair, and his ability to create separation is below-average. And he’s always hurt when something’s not completely torn.

  3. By dave g. on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    “If the eye test didn’t answer that already, watch what happens to the Ravens this year with the loss of Boldin.” So they eye test does not apply to KAP huh? More and more inconsistencies from the pathetic one.

  4. By ace on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    good read here
    How will Jim Harbaugh’s coaching staff compensate for the WR’s absence?

    http://www.ninersnation.com/2013/5/24/4359604/michael-crabtree-injury-jim-harbaugh-coaching-staff-game-plan

  5. By phatalerror on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    “If the eye test didn’t answer that already, watch what happens to the Ravens this year with the loss of Boldin.”

    “So they eye test does not apply to KAP huh? More and more inconsistencies from the pathetic one.”

    That’s funny: As I’ve repeatedly mentioned here, the eye test says Kaepernick stares down receivers, reads defenses poorly during the play, has poor footwork on dropbacks, and performs worst when confined to the pocket. And when I mention this, you sarcastically remark that ‘it satisfies Harbaugh’s eye test, which means it’s good enough for you.’

    So you have no eye, and have no business talking about anyone else’s eyes. Who is pathetic now?

  6. By 49erdefense2012 on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    ” thats funny:As I’ve repeatedly mentioned here,the eye test says Kaepernick stares down recievers,reads defenses poorly during the play,has poor footwork on dropbacks,and performs worst when confined to the pocket.,,,dude,you really need to turn on your tv and stop reading those newspapers from august of last year,everything negative you say about kaepernick is,,, PAST TENSE,,,or maybe former head coaches and qb’s who are saying the exact OPPOSITE about kaepernick dont know what they are talking about right??,,kaepernick is being praised for doing all those things you say he doesnt do well for doing them well,,by jon gruden,kurt warner,brian billick,steve young,ron jaworski,steve marriucci,tony dungy,bill parcells,and too many more to continue naming, its utterly ridiculous that you keep posting and saying things about kaepernicks skill sets that NO ONE ELSE IS,,,10 STARTS,thats all he has had up to this point, yet your trashing him like soneone would trash ryan leaf,,if you knew ANYTHING about football you wouldnt jump to such a quick de-evaluation of someone untill they have played 2-3 years in the league,,seriously,you need to re-research all these things you say kap cant do,becasue dozens of PRO COACHES AND QB’S ARE SAYING THE EXACT OPPOSTIE MAKING YOUR COMMENTS WEAK,TRANSPARENT,AND NOT UP TO DATE, your bitterness towards kap and harbaugh is based on your personal feelings related to the way the exit stratgey fro alex smith was handled and its so obvious your oblivious to it,,you need to get up to speed or get up to leave

  7. By SHIP on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    WELL SAID 49erdefense2012 !

  8. By phatalerror on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    “kaepernick is being praised for doing all those things you say he doesnt do well for doing them well,,by jon gruden,kurt warner,brian billick,steve young,ron jaworski,steve marriucci,tony dungy,bill parcells,and too many more to continue naming, its utterly ridiculous that you keep posting and saying things about kaepernicks skill sets that NO ONE ELSE IS… if you knew ANYTHING about football you wouldnt jump to such a quick de-evaluation of someone untill they have played 2-3 years in the league”

    Most of the quotes I’ve seen from the people you named above were qualified by phrases like ‘He’s off to a good start’ and ‘he’s done well for a quarterback with so few starts’. If they’re talking about quarterback skills outside of the measurables, they’re limited in what they can point to in order to substantiate any of the more glowing comments.

    I understand he has had only ten NFL starts. He also is a professional playing for a team where he hasn’t had any of the growing pains that a lot of quarterbacks have to go through getting into the league: He’s got supporting cast, coaching, and the opportunity to be the signal-caller for a team for which he didn’t even win the quarterback battle in training camp. He was gifted the position with a very low bar set for him (second Rams game, anyone?). My standards aren’t quite so low: He needs to be first and foremost a quarterback. He’s had an entire off-season to learn, and maybe he will. If he doesn’t, he’s merely going to be the next Vince Young: Incredible measurables accompanied by average quarterbacking talents.

    Anyone who compares him to the top quarterbacks in the league is crazy: He’s no Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Drew Brees. And yet that was the standard Alex Smith had earned the right to be measured against with his first eight performances of 2012. It was becoming crystal clear that when Smith was provided the tools other top quarterbacks have, he could succeed.

    Whether or not that was fairly ripped away from Smith is irrelevant and not even in the scope of this discussion. The point under discussion is that Colin Kaepernick doesn’t have quarterback skills commensurate with top quarterbacks. Alex Smith does. Smith just doesn’t have Kaepernick’s measurables, and between 2005 and 2011, he didn’t have Kaepernick’s team. So comparing 2012 Kaepernick to 2006 Smith is an inherently flawed comparison.

    But you can’t even have a discussion about Smith vs. Kaepernick without bringing up 2005-2010. That’s the proof that you rely on individual stat lines and win/loss columns rather than the eye test. But even more so, you cherry-pick the perspectives of others. This is why I argue that there is no independent thought from the lot of you concerning Kaepernick.

  9. By ace on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    kaep is hot !!!

  10. By ace on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    Quinton Patton ✔ @4_Turnt_Up

    “If you ain’t getting 1% better everyday your not working hard enough”

    yeah now go tell crab that,dont think he got that message from coach

  11. By SHIP on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    Blahblah Lots of words, same old bull.

    Hey ace. keep waiting especially after all that pig latin jibberish! maybe one day you will make a point. Try trying little buddy and keep waiting….

  12. By ace on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    that was from the top of the page ship look up

  13. By 49erdefense2012 on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    hahahahahahahahahahaha, your all over the place, I obviously un-nerved the guy. FACE IT,,,your arguments are worn out and so very old news,your stumbling all over your comments now.

  14. By 49erdefense2012 on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    I dont need ANYONE to tell me what I already know about kaepernick,or some interview and stats to know what I have already seen with my own two eyes. you,OBVIOUSLY,DO,,you say you watch the games yet you say you see nothing from kaepernick that says he can be successful in the nfl?????when other pros say they do,,,what does that tell you? that maybe your wrong and dont really know what your talking about,,your opinion is your own and since you think thats how it should be in your mnd thats the way it WILL be,,even if EVERYONE else says your wrong,,,your a waste of my time

  15. By 49erdefense2012 on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    you even try twisting around what these coaches and players have said in order for them to fit your argument,, NO DUDE, gruden said,quote, kaepernick has great footwork in the pocket and can read the defense from within the pocket and excells at it when using a 7 step drop,,kurt warner said,quote,colin kaepernick keeps his feet moving,while sublte,he can read the defense without turning his head a whole lot which can be very helpful when throwing from the pocket…I suggest you dont try twisting others words to fit your argument cuz’ I know what I have read heard and seen. you on the other hand wont admit that your aregument is getting weaker and weaker and weaker,,,,,,,,,,,

  16. By 49erdefense2012 on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    why is it you refute even what these coaches and players have said, your trying to tell me,a guy who seen these interviews that they didnt say these things?? seriously, your washed up buddy,same as your arguments but thats ok you just on thinking that your right and everything will be ok in your world and you can continue to think your the smartest qb guru on the planet,,,,,NOT,,,

  17. By SHIP on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    49erdefense2012….thanks for smacking that lil biaaaaatch again. He just keeps crying and crying and Alex is gone…like it or not so none of his BS matters.

  18. By ace on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    Hey ace. keep waiting especially after all that pig latin jibberish! maybe one day you will make a point. Try trying little buddy and keep waiting

    ship ur a &^*&^*&*^87 do you really not recognize that i copied what patton said on the top of the page cuz thats the work ethic and team spirit that we need not another diva

  19. By ace on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    “This is why I argue that there is no independent thought from the lot of you concerning Kaepernick.”

    well ofcourse not ur talking to a bunch of mindless followers
    we should rename this blog to Daves mindless folowers and troll team

    while i disagree about what kaep can do and (hope) he will do with phatal, im respectfull of another persons opinion and enjoy reading what someone elses opinion is

  20. By ace on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    you guys really dont have anything other than the “team” line in ur minds, its like when coach talks to the media, hes says nothing to them for a reason you guys on the other hand say nothing because there is nothing else going on in ur tiny little minds to say other than repeating what someone else says……sigh

  21. By ace on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    go on now congratulate urselves for saying nothing meaningfull again

  22. By phatalerror on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    “I dont need ANYONE to tell me what I already know about kaepernick,or some interview and stats to know what I have already seen with my own two eyes. you,OBVIOUSLY,DO”

    And yet you argue that no one shares my opinion. How can I base my opinion off an interview given by nobody?

    Fact: Not every analyst gushes about Kaepernick.
    Fact: Greg Cosell of NFL Films is much more reserved in his remarks about Kaepernick. (He’s paid to talk about the NFL, not to pander to the NFL’s “customers” who are all taken in with the NFL’s newest offensive fad.)
    Fact: You suggest your eyes told you what you needed to know about Kaepernick, and yet you offer no explanation about what Kaepernick actually does, and instead hand-pick complimentary quotes about Kaepernick and rest your case on their authority.

    Well done. Your credibility lives and dies on the accuracy of the unproven claims of analysts. We’ve certainly never seen an analyst be wrong before, have we? You’re so quick to dismiss what I say because it is “negative” and a “minority opinion”. Since when are those relevant determiners of a statement’s veracity?

  23. By ace on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    its always people that dont have the mental tools that start name calling first look at this page for example if you have the ability to say something of some kind of valuel than you would do that instead of name calling

  24. By 49erdefense2012 on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    see what I mean,your still trying trying to twist what others have said,,go away

  25. By 49erdefense2012 on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    what former players and coaches have to say hold more merit than some over-paid newspaper writer who never played a down in the nfl

  26. By 49erdefense2012 on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    I expalined to you what kap does months ago its not my fault you dont remember,I started using former PLAYERS AND COACHES are saying about kaqp to further prove my point to you, AND,,I would rather listen to what former PLAYERS AND COACHES have to say about kap than greg never played a down in hnis life cossel

  27. By ace on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    ok kaep is hot
    you asked for it

  28. By phatalerror on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    “I would rather listen to what former PLAYERS AND COACHES have to say about kap than greg never played a down in hnis life cossel”

    Name a ‘former player or coach’ that has a low opinion of Greg Cosell. His opinions are of the most highly regarded sort.

  29. By 49erdefense2012 on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    your grasping at straws now,,

  30. By Micah on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    Did that 2nd post actually say there is no drop off from KingCrab to Boldin? Is this guy talking about right now? maybe if we took both players in their prime ya Boldin is better but as for right now at his age KingCrab is better, faster, breaks away from coverga better, they have about the same hands but Crab’s game is all around better right now than Boldin and there will be a drop of because KingCrab and Kaep have an unspoken bond and Boldins never played a down wiith keep before. So suck off Boldin all you want dude Crab is better and the difference will be felt with him gone. Boldin is a beast but he is a completely different player. Thanks for the Boldin stats from 7 years ago though buddy.

  31. By SHIP on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    Very interesting comments by Phatalerror. So you say above:

    “Fact: Greg Cosell of NFL Films is much more reserved in his remarks about Kaepernick. (He’s paid to talk about the NFL, not to pander to the NFL’s “customers” who are all taken in with the NFL’s newest offensive fad.)”

    And Phatalerror goes on to say: “Name a ‘former player or coach’ that has a low opinion of Greg Cosell. His opinions are of the most highly regarded sort.”

  32. By SHIP on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    So what if Greg Cosell said that Kaepernick gave you a better chance to win SB then Alex Smith?

  33. By SHIP on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    COSELL: “We talked about this last year when I said Alex Smith had some limitations and the coaches were doing a really good job minimizing those limitations. First of all, they told you that when they went after Peyton Manning. Now they’re telling you that by what they’re doing with Colin Kaepernick. I think at a certain point, Alex Smith can only go to a certain level with the throws he can make, and I think they know that.”

  34. By SHIP on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    Above was Cosells response to the following question: Q: Are the receivers running the same routes (for the two QB’s)? Would Alex just not throw to those guys downfield?

  35. By SHIP on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    OUCH! :)

  36. By 49erdefense2012 on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    forget it ship,no matter how many former players and coahces,hall of fame players and coaches might I add,say kap does well the very things blahblahblah says kap is horrible at,,,will he ever change his opinion,his opinion is the only that is right in his mind,and no former hall of fame coach or player will ever be better than his arm-chair qb evaluation talents,,its like the dude refuses to even acknowledge that there are so many players and coahces who COMPLETELY disagree with what blahblahblah says about kap,,,he still probably thinks the world is flat and trys to disprove the makers of the globe claiming they havent provided any type of statistic to prove the world is round,,,L O L ,,,,,

  37. By Hermie on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    Sooo, now waawaawaa is also a Crabs hater!! Two of the new stars on the 9es offense and neither one is any good….Credibility is sh!t

    Ace, being in shape has nothing to do with an Achilles tear!! Sorry dude. I didn’t like how Crabs came into the league, but he has manned up over the last year and is a player now!!!

  38. By Hermie on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    I am begging you guys to ignore him and maybe he will go away. I have been trying and really don’t read his posts anymore, unless he gets schooled on something by one of you guys and I have to see what stupid thing he said this time!! I know most nightmares stay a long time, but maybe!!

  39. By ace on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    yeah he finally did have a good year, when hes not hurt, i was very excited about the possibility of having 2 1000 yard wrs this year for the first time in a long time,
    thats why im still mad at him

  40. By SHIP on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    You can be upset that he is hurt but there is no need to take shots at the guy (Crabs). He had a good year by running crisp routes and you don’t do that without working hard. It is the taking shots at a guy for getting hurt is misplaced anger. He does not deserve that. Its just goofy to take shots at him considering how much he did last year for us. And keep in mind his game got better once Kap came in. I don’t think that is a coincidence.

  41. By SHIP on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    Interesting comments by Greg Cosell.

    http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8995104

  42. By SHIP on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    For “everyones” reading pleasure. Click on this blog and scroll all the way down for Greg Cosells “reserved remarks about Kaepernick”LOL

    http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2012/11/inside-the-49ers/

  43. By SHIP on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    As the famous Porky Pig used to say:
    Abidi abidi Th-th-th-that’s all, folks!
    LOL! Dave G. is gonna love this!

  44. By phatalerror on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    “Cosells response to the following question: Q: Are the receivers running the same routes (for the two QB’s)? Would Alex just not throw to those guys downfield?

    “We talked about this last year when I said Alex Smith had some limitations and the coaches were doing a really good job minimizing those limitations. First of all, they told you that when they went after Peyton Manning. Now they’re telling you that by what they’re doing with Colin Kaepernick. I think at a certain point, Alex Smith can only go to a certain level with the throws he can make, and I think they know that.””

    Cosell has had a lot to say about Smith vs. Kaepernick, about Smith vs. the league, and about Kaepernick vs. the league. If the point in this response is to indicate that Kaepernick has a better downfield ball, I’m not inclined to argue that point. Kaepernick has the stronger arm, and I’ve never said otherwise. With that acknowledged:

    Smith, 2012: 4 completions 40 yards or greater, 2 TD’s.
    Kaepernick, 2012 (regular season): 4 completions 40 yards or greater, 1 TD.
    Kaepernick, 2012 (post-season): 2 completions 40 yards or greater.

    The argument in behalf of Kaepernick is supposedly that the aerial game is more “explosive” with him as opposed to Smith. The truth? There’s no advantage with Kaepernick, regardless of the routes being run. Why could one be so much greater in measurables and produce just as much as the “lesser” quarterback? Because you can’t measure intellect, but intellect is a factor. And Smith’s intellect is superior to Kaepernick’s.

    So nothing about what Cosell said is wrong, but your interpretation fundamentally misses the point: Smith is limited physically in what he can do, and he will never have Kaepernick’s measurables. This is not synonymous with the idea that Kaepernick will eventually overtake Smith in effectiveness at the position. That may happen, and I’ve again never said anything to the contrary. My position continues to be that Today, Smith is the better quarterback.

    All the same users piled on as always, but whatever. This wasn’t for them anyway.

  45. By phatalerror on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    And now SHIP quotes Looney Toons characters to explain why Kaepernick is the better quarterback. This is why he is a troll.

  46. By ace on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    and wrs are constantly getting hurt it is a tough pos for sure, im still down on him never liked his attitude or his injury bug, sorry crab but i think we need better

  47. By ace on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    well what 2nd year qb can you compare to an 8 year qb , in terms of exp ? you cant really but kaeps level of play in 10 starts ranks with pretty good qbs for sure to have so few starts and make it to the sb, kaep is still a young qb for sure but he has great coaching and has made huge gains, im glad he shortened his delivery he used to throw like a pitcher kinda vey deliberate and long motion…some day he might start looking off wrs, but we say the same about alex
    i think this is a younger faster game every year, i want the younger faster guy, actually no i want both, but kaep would be the starter on my team with both of them, but really its more about money right now, kaep is cheaper younger faster

  48. By SHIP on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    Quotes of Looney Toons is to close the book on your joke of any credibility as you all over the place with inconsistency. I noticed you ignored Cosell saying Kaepernick gives the SF49ers a better chance to win the SB from the links. LOL. You can babble all you want but it is now as obvious as ever you full of sh!t. But I know, you will keep taking every angle is the book no matter what. You are a Looney Tune so yeah the quote is perfect!

  49. By phatalerror on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    “well what 2nd year qb can you compare to an 8 year qb , in terms of exp ? you cant really but kaeps level of play in 10 starts ranks with pretty good qbs for sure to have so few starts and make it to the sb, kaep is still a young qb for sure but he has great coaching and has made huge gains, im glad he shortened his delivery he used to throw like a pitcher kinda vey deliberate and long motion…some day he might start looking off wrs, but we say the same about alex”

    Then how do you explain Mark Sanchez?: Two AFC Championship Title Game appearances in his first two years in the league. Two seasons afterward, he’s battling for his job with a quarterback drafted in the second round. He was carried to those division titles by excellent defensive and offensive complements. Now he doesn’t have the support on either side, nor does he have the support of his coaches. So in the end, Sanchez was never as good as people thought he was at the end of 2010, and then two more years on terrible teams have shattered his confidence. He desperately needs to be on another team, and things would look up from there.

    Colin Kaepernick hasn’t struggled with confidence because throughout his career he has had a team and coaching he could depend on. This does not mean that there is a cap to what he can accomplish until he learns some very basic quarterbacking skills.

  50. By phatalerror on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    “i think this is a younger faster game every year, i want the younger faster guy”

    Two years ago, the Steelers were an older, slower team. They went 12-4 in the regular season, losing in overtime to Tim Tebow’s Broncos in the first round of the playoffs on an infamous defensive play call.

    One year ago, the Steelers were a younger, faster team (mostly as a function of salary cap trouble, and not because they “wanted” to go younger and faster). They went 8-8, missing the playoffs for only the third time in the last nine years.

    Veteran talent is badly underrated in the NFL.

  51. By phatalerror on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    “I noticed you ignored Cosell saying Kaepernick gives the SF49ers a better chance to win the SB from the links.”

    A lot of people said that. I didn’t. I wouldn’t presume my being right about that makes me smarter than Greg Cosell, Jim Harbaugh, and everyone else who made that statement, but if that’s the point you’re trying to make, I’ll accept the compliment.

  52. By phatalerror on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    “Did that 2nd post actually say there is no drop off from KingCrab to Boldin? Is this guy talking about right now? maybe if we took both players in their prime ya Boldin is better but as for right now at his age KingCrab is better, faster, breaks away from coverga better, they have about the same hands but Crab’s game is all around better right now than Boldin and there will be a drop of because KingCrab and Kaep have an unspoken bond and Boldins never played a down wiith keep before. So suck off Boldin all you want dude Crab is better and the difference will be felt with him gone. Boldin is a beast but he is a completely different player. Thanks for the Boldin stats from 7 years ago though buddy.”

    Anquan Boldin is a big part of the reason the Ravens won the 2012 Super Bowl: 6 receptions; 104 yards, 1 TD, 4 3rd down conversions. This compares to Crabtree’s 5 receptions, 109 yards, 1 TD, 0 3rd down conversions. Boldin put the first touchdown of the game on the board.

    So I’m not talking about seven years ago. I’m talking about the last game they both played in. The Ravens had a banged up secondary, and that was all that Crabtree accomplished. I don’t want to hear about Crabtree’s (or anyone else’s) measurables: When he’s actually healthy (uncommon), he doesn’t play fast, and he isn’t clutch. As has been already stated, Crabtree had the rare luxury of playing against a thin secondary during the time Kaepernick quarterbacked, so his increased productivity in relation to a few other receivers in the league was a function of scheme and disproportionate targeting (and not some especially remarkable chemistry between him and Kaepernick). He wouldn’t be a WR1 on a lot of teams in the NFL. Anquan Boldin may not have top notch speed, but he’s very physical, savvy, and reliable. And clutch.

  53. By SHIP on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    LMFAO!

  54. By 49erdefense2012 on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    same here,the guy loses an argument and trys to change the subject by using other peoples comments,putting them in quotations and thinking he’s changed the subject,,,deflection??,,,hardly,

  55. By ace on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    i cant explain mark sanchez and the jets are a mess, i can hope that boldin is a better #1 option at wr on short notice, and becomes mr 3rddown for us cuz even tho crabs numbers werent huge he was mr clutch 3rd down guy, i think thats we we lost most, someone has to become that trusted im gonna make that 3rd down recp, like boldin did in the sb against us, like that clutch 3rd down comp he caught on us

  56. By ace on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    even tho the young guys (wrs) on this roster dont look like a sb winning roster, if anyone can evalute young talent and get wrs to produce i think these coaches can, and we have the benefit of a great maybe even better running game with k hunter coming back, when we got mario m we plugged him in and he was productive right away because coaches saw his talent and knew how to put him to use (i liked that)

  57. By ace on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    go aj

  58. By ace on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    thats a niners nation joke btw

  59. By phatalerror on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    “even tho crabs numbers werent huge he was mr clutch 3rd down guy, i think thats we we lost most, someone has to become that trusted im gonna make that 3rd down recp”

    ace, if you want to know why I am so down on Kaepernick, it’s because people on this site write stuff like what I quoted you saying above, not realizing that what they wrote actually isn’t true:

    Smith and Kaepernick each targeted Crabtree 25 times on third down during the regular season. What were the results?

    Smith to Crabtree: 19 completions, 13 first downs, 3 touchdowns, 1 interception.
    Kaepernick to Crabtree: 11 completions, 9 first downs, 2 touchdowns.

    I’m not sure if anyone should call a receiver with 22 first downs on 50 third down targets (44%) a clutch receiver. Michael Crabtree ranked 48th out of 126 NFL receivers in 2012 targeted an average of once per game on third down when measured at the rate of first downs achieved. Among others that ranked ahead of him were Danario Alexander (7th), Vincent Jackson (13th), Andre Johnson (14th), Percy Harvin (16th), Brandon Gibson (19th), and Brandon LaFell (27th). I skipped a lot of names that were obvious. Anquan Boldin ranked 41st.

    It is of course appropriate to note that when you run the same query factoring for what quarterback is throwing the football, Crabtree jumps up to 52% of conversions and ranks 25th out of 116 on the same list when Smith is throwing to him, whereas he drops to 80th in the case of Kaepernick. It is deeply unfortunate that the quarterback commonly said to have the better chemistry with Crabtree actually is far less productive. It would be more accurate to say that Smith was one of those coveted players that elevated the play of the players around him, whereas the same can clearly not be said for either Crabtree or Kaepernick.

  60. By ace on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    ok true but didnt crab have more 3rd recps for first downs last year vs any other 49er ?
    not vs alex smith, but who had the most 3rd down cacthes for first downs on the 49ers ?

  61. By phatalerror on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    Working on that.

  62. By ace on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    thats what we gotta replace is 3rd down recps for first downs hell, anyone who jumps into that role is golden

  63. By phatalerror on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    “ok true but didnt crab have more 3rd recps for first downs last year vs any other 49er ?”

    I was sure it would be Crabtree, but I just wanted to make sure on that. After Crabtree’s 22 total first downs on third down, Davis, Moss, and Williams had a three-way tie for 4.

    While Crabtree deserves consideration by virtue of being on the field play after play, his numbers were very much a function of the sheer number of targets he received on third down in relation to other players. By conversion rate, Davis and Williams both matched Crabtree’s numbers, and Walker and then Moss weren’t far behind (I don’t count Miller’s 66% rate because he only got three targets during the regular season on third down).

    Scheme of course would have a large impact on Crabtree’s targets in relation to Davis, as Davis would have chip-blocked on many third downs to slow the rush in long-yardage situations. Williams on the other hand lost targets to his injury. In any case, Crabtree was frequently single-covered on third downs, regardless of whether Smith or Kaepernick were throwing the ball.

    I wasn’t arguing about whether or not Crabtree was the best receiving option on the team on third downs in 2012; he was their best option. The drop-off from Crabtree to any of Moss, Manningham, or Williams was significant. With that said, Crabtree was swimming in a small pond in that regard, and he didn’t have that impact on third down in any previous season. Although he was the team leader in 2011 by total (40), Davis wasn’t far behind him (33). By rate, Josh Morgan (60%) was far ahead of Crabtree (35.4%), as were Williams (45.2%) and Hunter (38.5%). Davis (34.7%) was within a percent. In other forums, I have made the argument that Josh Morgan was a more effective receiver than Michael Crabtree (although Morgan was never worth the money the Redskins paid him, though a much better value considering what the 49ers have paid Crabtree).

    When you compare Crabtree’s effectiveness to the effectiveness of the WR1’s around the league, Crabtree ranks in the bottom half.

  64. By phatalerror on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    “thats what we gotta replace is 3rd down recps for first downs hell, anyone who jumps into that role is golden”

    Third down targets in Baltimore were evenly distributed between Anquan Boldin, and Dennis Pitta, with Torrey Smith and Ray Rice in the next tier down. Boldin had a 47% percent conversion rate, and his reception rate on targets was slightly better than Crabtree’s. He’s easily a better version of Crabtree, even if a little bit older.

    I’ve said it before: I’m targeting Anquan Boldin in Fantasy Drafts because Kaepernick will be targeting him. I wouldn’t expect him to have a season better than he had in 2005, because he’s not playing across from Larry Fitzgerald this year. I would draft him as a solid WR3 option, upgrading him to WR2 in PPR leagues.

  65. By ace on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    lol and compared to those who are injured right now ? for the money we pay him ?
    im hoping boldin can be that guy, 3rd down recps and junk

  66. By ace on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    id like to see boldin be that i can catch up high for that first or where ever he needs too,ftype of pos wr,particularlry for first down conversations

  67. By rjdniner on May 27, 2013 | Reply

    ace everyone talks about stats and the like, example MARINO great QB NO DOUGHT every time the conversation comes up what the one thing that always comes up ,not winning the SB ,granted to some football fans stats they live by them and besides does it really matter in the game that we all love .Now as far as Boldin ,I know everyone has there own view on him, me am going to kick back and enjoy the show that Roman has for us to watch, just wish I could be at a game in the stick that a lot of you have the pleasure of doing ……

  68. By 11yearswithalex on May 27, 2013 | Reply

    peeps alex is gone for one reason …….keeper showed more promise in one game than alex ever did…..then he backed it up ….and kept backing it up …alex could never go into New England and come out with a win ……..that game was huge and the staff never looked back after that …and why should they have …alex’s contract was up they would have to sign him to a big contract …and since they already have given him 80 million ..they thought wisely and made a good trade……

  69. By rjdniner on May 27, 2013 | Reply

    11YRS you keep bringing that up about how much he got in the time he was with use ,and who is KEEPER ? HAHAH

  70. By SHIP on May 27, 2013 | Reply

    Why is Phatalerror on here? Is he on here to just say this guy is better than this guy and to try to convince us all that he is an authority? First off, he babbles about nonsense with useless stats that mean nothing. So who gives a f@ck who is better out of Crabs & Boldin? We have them both. Why you going on about a QB we don’t have anymore? What does it all this mean? You type so much BS that has been proven wrong again and again and again but you keep spitting out the same nonsense. Do you even have a life? Your blogs are like novels? Seriously how much hours of your time you wasting just hating on people. If you prefer a player over another, fine thats your opinion but to continue to bash guys just because they not your guy is pointless. Whether I prefer Kap or Alex, whether I think Crabs is better than Boldin…who cares? And why bash the other when they have done their best and do not deserve the bashing. You think you better than us but you not because you the one hating guys who are much more better human beings than you will ever be. You full of hatred and bitterness and are overwhelmingly dillusional and even when you clearly been proven wrong, bias and full of hypocracy you still go on like you right about everything. You a loser in every sense of the word and I am sure Mr. Phatlerror is a lucky woman who is very proud of the time you spend on here talking about nonsense. And no you not talking about football-you trying to feed you insecure ego. LOSER! LOL

  71. By 49erdefense2012 on May 27, 2013 | Reply

    could the alter ego be anymore obvious?,,,I dont think so

  72. By ace on May 27, 2013 | Reply

    ok just for old times sake 49ers vs cheifs young vs montana anyone remember this game ?

  73. By phatalerror on May 27, 2013 | Reply

    “Why is Phatalerror on here? Is he on here to just say this guy is better than this guy…?”

    That’s what the site is for. And you apparently need to be told this. Whose sanity and reason are suspect now, hmmmm?

  74. By ace on May 27, 2013 | Reply

    i was gonna say the same thing and i might add if you dont agree with someones opinion try to have an intellegent argument to make an not just name calling plz

  75. By rjdniner on May 27, 2013 | Reply

    phatalerror did you start using this site to tell use what we already know when it comes to the game of football every time you post a comment it,s like you can see in to the future and all that info you give on this site is old news….

  76. By phatalerror on May 27, 2013 | Reply

    “phatalerror did you start using this site to tell use what we already know when it comes to the game of football every time you post a comment it,s like you can see in to the future and all that info you give on this site is old news….”

    Generally it seems like I spend most of my time cleaning up deliberately disseminated misinformation. Therefore, if this is really a site for 49ers fans, I’m actually providing a valuable service. You don’t have to thank me for it.

    How often do I really tell you something you already know? How can you know it already when two-thirds of the sports writers can’t get their facts straight about what’s going on in the NFL?

    Step One: Listen to the media.
    Step Two: Validate the information.
    Step Three: Research the basis for any incongruencies.
    Step Four: Explain the dissenting opinion.

    I don’t feel I’m being arrogant in saying there’s not another user on this forum that goes to the lengths I do to check the veracity of published statements about the 49ers, and to challenge statements that are untrue. I’m often one of the first to go on record here with something that flies in the face of local or national sports media. And I don’t come here spouting opinions without bringing the ammunition of facts to back it up.

  77. By SHIP on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    You say a lot that is untrue thereby you wasting everyone’s time. It has been proven time and time again.

  78. By SHIP on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    You one of these jokers that even try to convince yourself things are true that’s not to help you make sense of your delusional world. You type for many lies and twist so many facts that you forget what’s real. Its quite funny to how you copy and paste peoples quotes leaving out parts to help it fit better for you to respond to. You are a joke and we all know it. All the steps above are BS because you twist facts and flat out lie so N/A on the whole thing. LOL

  79. By phatalerror on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    “All the steps above are BS because you twist facts and flat out lie so N/A on the whole thing.”

    Because you said so, of course.

    I’ve made an error here and there (rarely), and I’ve owned up to it when I did. Where did I lie?

  80. By mfkram64 on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    i couldn’t agree more ship….blahblahblah just gives useless information……it’s the same old stuff…..now he hates on crabtree…still talks about alex smith…and hates on kaepernick….his post r long winded boring repeated nonense….

  81. By SHIP on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    “I’ve made an error here and there (rarely), and I’ve owned up to it when I did. Where did I lie?”

    That of course is the ultimate lie.

    “Because you said so, of course.”

    Another lie because the proof is there for all to read.

    LMFAO

  82. By fansincethecatch on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    I’ve been a fan since “the catch”…the real, one and only “catch” – Montana to Clark against Dallas. Like many I have watched the Niners go from being the team of the 80’s to one of the worst teams in the NFL. It’s been a great ride these past two years! However, WHAT is with this Kap bashing??!! Phatalerror…. I sit here and laugh at your posts! You seem to do a good job at babbling about completions… to Crabtree….Kap vs. Smith….to Moss…blah blah blah. You are forgetting one VERY IMPORTANT characteristic of Kap….he can R U N!!! Smith CANNOT! (Ask the Packer fans.) You also mentioned that Kap cannot be compared to Brady, Manning, Brees, or Rodgers. That made me laugh even harder. Of those four QB’s listed…correct me if I’m wrong (know you will – I don’t have my stats in front of me) but didn’t he BEAT THREE of them this season!! (Ask Aaron Rodgers how the two Packer games went against Kap.) Yes, he’s only had 10 regular starts…but, seems to me if he and the rest of the team continue to play like they have been, we could have another team of the decade on our hands. GO NINERS!

  83. By Hermie on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    blahblahblah…waawaawaa

  84. By phatalerror on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    “You also mentioned that Kap cannot be compared to Brady, Manning, Brees, or Rodgers. That made me laugh even harder. Of those four QB’s listed…correct me if I’m wrong (know you will – I don’t have my stats in front of me) but didn’t he BEAT THREE of them this season!!”

    As a fan, your comprehension of football is sorely lacking. Football is a sport where at any time, a team can field eleven players. Not one. Kaepernick didn’t beat those quarterbacks. Kaepernick’s team beat the teams of those quarterbacks.

    The point was that Kaepernick doesn’t have the skillsets of any of those quarterbacks, no matter how fast he can run.

    Laugh away if it makes you feel better.

  85. By dave g. on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    “As a fan, your comprehension of football is sorely lacking. Football is a sport where at any time, a team can field eleven players. Not one. Kaepernick didn’t beat those quarterbacks. Kaepernick’s team beat the teams of those quarterbacks.”

    This is an ongoing example of the severe biasness the person who calls himself Phatalerror possesses. The laughing is coming from us! You are blatant in your changing views based on what is convenient for your argument. Use your own words above against yourself when you consider the SF49ers fell only 5 yards short of their goal to be SB Champions. Remember your own words when you blame Mr. Colin Kaeprnick for everytning in that loss. So the way we understand it is when the team wins, it is an all around team effort, but when the team loses it is all Mr. Kaepernick’s fault. “THIS SOUNDS LOGICAL & COMPLETELY UNBIASED” {sarcasm!!!!!)

    But we are the ones whose football comprehension is lacking. If this is not the most blatant bias I have ever read, then I don’t know what is. I know you will copy and paste stats and twist words but you an ongoing joke and we all see it.

  86. By dave g. on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    It is amazing how when you remove emotions and keep logic at the forefront how the truth and facts are very simple without ongoing novels. All ongoing novels do is cloud the facts. Of course that idiot can go on all day with this stat and that stat but when you are typing a bunch of nonsense based on emotions they will often contradict and you are left with just a man (FATAL-ERROR)who needs to change his feminine pad.

    THANK YOU. I AM DAVE AND HAVE SLAPPED ANOTHER B!TCH. AND THE BEAUTY IS I DON”T HAVE TO SPEND MUCH TIME DOING SO. JUST ONE QUICK AND SIMPLE SLAP. HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

  87. By rjdniner on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    phatallerror GET THIS STRIGHT YOU ARE NOT PROVIDING US WITH ANY THING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND THAT IS ALOT MORE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE GAME OF FOOTBALL , do you expect use to BELIVE what you say and not the people that are in the hall of fame they played the game they have the rings. dave g after reading fatal..erro I really hope he continues with his so called football comments ……… fatal-error just gave you a thumps down

  88. By SHIP on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    LMFAO!!!!!!

  89. By fansincethecatch on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    Phatalerror has had way more attention on here than what he/she deserves. Apparently NO ONE knows football better than he/she does – not even the pros!! ;) I, however, am looking forward to another great football season from Kap and the Niners – can only hope that Boldin has a great year (and we can get Crabtree back for at least a portion of the season).

  90. By mfkram64 on May 30, 2013 | Reply

    u hit it right on the head dave g…..when they lose it’s kaps fault but when they win it’s the team who won the game….when alex was qb’ing if they won it was him who led them to victory and if they lost under alex it was the teams fault….that’s how blahblahblah see’s it…..that’s not bias right? he is a waste of time

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